fundraisers

topic posted Fri, May 16, 2008 - 9:25 PM by  Aradia of La...
Hi Tribe,
I've been thinking about the fundraisers that we have done for Carolee and the girl in Reno, I think it's a very generous thing to do, but one question comes to mind. Why are we doing fundraisers for people we don't know, or aren't really a part of the community, when are own people are in need of aid? I can think of 4 right off the top of my head, Raven, Marisa, Amaryllis and myself. No one even considered that we may need help too. I can't speak for the other girls financial situation, but for myself it has cost me 24K to fix my back, I had to take a month off from Marrakech, and 3 months off from teaching, this is all I live on, I have no husband to support me, and I don't have alimony of any of the other perks of being divorced. So I have paid all my bills on credit cards for 3 months. I know Marisa was in the hospital for 2 weeks, and her sick days ran out so she wasn't getting paid at all, and we know that teachers don't get paid well to begin with. Amaryllis had to cancel all her classes for months during her crisis. I'm not sure what Raven's situation is, but I know it's not great. So why do we hold fundraisers for people we barely know, yet don't take care of our girls here at home?? Just something to think about!!
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Aradia of Las Vegas
Las Vegas
  • Re: fundraisers

    Sat, May 17, 2008 - 9:51 AM
    Carolee is someone that is right here in our community. And it's probably because she has been so active with the Intensive that Samira wanted to do a Hafla for her. Now that isn't to say we couldn't or shouldn't do a Hafla for our other sisters here in the Valley, someone just needs to know that they are in that type of need and plan it.... It also might be nice to put together a show (if we could get a place cheap enough) with promotion, and either dedicate it to someone or divide it among those of you in need. I would love to participate, but I cannot take the responsibility of organizing it. My schedule won't allow it... Anyone? Any other ideas?
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      Sat, May 17, 2008 - 3:49 PM
      That's a good idea Treasa, i know it's hard with all of our schedules, but even if we had a injured dancer fund, since we pay to get into the hafla, and basically bring our own food and dance for free, maybe part of the hafla proceeds could go into an account that would be available to dancers in need, and please understand I am in no way discounting Carolee, what she is going through sucks worse than Raven, Marisa and myself put together, breast cancer is a nasty beast. I just thought that I would throw that out there to see what people's response is. I know we've done fundraisers for dancers we don't really know, so I think it would be nice if he charity at home was also in place. Some of us don't work day jobs, and dance is our bread and butter.
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        Mon, May 19, 2008 - 8:19 AM
        Aradia, i didnt even know you were having problems with your back till the night of the massive show.... i was shocked that no one even mentioned it to me. i guess some people dont want others to know they are sick maybe?maybe some people are too private to share that they are sick and who knows the reasons why. perhaps they dont trust the community enough to share these things? we will never know the reasons why but i feel like if we shared those things more freely we could do something about it. i would love to help those who need it. half the time i dont even know about it till it's too late.
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    Mon, May 19, 2008 - 8:30 AM
    You know what may be possible is to do what the Rodeo does (yes I do watch rodeo). These guys live their life and earn their living from event to event. So if they don't win they don't get paid and if they don't get paid they can't pay for insurance . So they have a ongoing donation nonprofit for the sole purpose of paying for medical expenses for the injured riders.

    It is something to think about.
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    Mon, May 19, 2008 - 9:11 AM
    I love the idea of having an injured dancer fund. Especially for those who do make their living or supplement much of it by the dance.

    I agree that we don't always share our medical issues with everyone so sometimes it's hard to know how great the need is. And often we don't want to come out and say, "hey, I've been ill and am struggling to pay my medical bills, please help." But in the true sense of "community" I think it would be a lovely gesture to reach out to our own when they are down. My medical issues have been ongoing and painful but I am lucky enough to have medical insurance which has helped alot. Although I've had to pay for much of the testing and medications on my own, my insurance has really helped. And I have a full time job that is also very understanding. But not everyone can say the same. I have been very fortunate also to have some wonderful troupemates and friends that have been supportive through this.

    I think in the spirit of community, I would love to see us come together and support our dancers, financially when needed as well as emotionally. Sometimes a kind word or friendly gesture goes a long long way.
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    Mon, May 19, 2008 - 2:55 PM
    Aradia, and community...

    I'd like to clarify a number of points that have been brought up as I feel that it's important to have a more complete perspective of what role the haflas play in this community.

    First, the haflas by themselves are for the community. The haflas are a family friendly bellydance social activity that I have created to bring our community together. These haflas are a place that students can perform and showcase their work, a place where you can meet and mingle with others who share a passion for a similar art, and a place for vendors to sell their wares. It is a space that I created because I believe in creating and building the Las Vegas community. And the $5 fee at the door is a truly minimal price to ask everyone to pay.

    Second, the haflas are not organized by a non-profit group. They are organized by me, Samira, a single mom of two. The money that I make at these haflas goes to put food on the table for my kids...literally...especially since my ex is substantially behind on child support. This means that what I choose to do or to not do at the hafla is decided by me. It is not really subject to discussion, unless of course you want to call or email me to suggest an idea.

    Third, I want to make it abundantly clear that nearly all of the charity work I choose to support does, indeed, support our locals. And if it is something that is outside of this community, it is a cause that is near and dear to my heart. I do not have to do charity work with these haflas at all. I choose to do so because it is my practice to be grateful and give back to the community and world whenever possible. Over the years I have donated money to our local Cystic Fibrosis Association because one of our local families is affected with that condition. I have also donated money and done membership drives for our local non-profit group, Shifting Sands Bellydance. I organized meals recently for Maggie who had her twins born prematurely. I have also raised money for our local March of Dimes in honor of Maggie's premature twins.

    Yes, on occasion I have chosen to support others who are outside of the local community. We raised a small amount ($250) to give to Lisa Fuimaono in Reno because she was a Nevada bellydancer with two small children who was in critical condition while her husband was unemployed. Their situation was dire and I personally felt stirred to reach out to that family. Additionally, I felt it was a good gesture for the Las Vegas community to reach out and connect with our sisters in the northern part of the state. I also did a co-fundraiser with the Nevadans for Midwifery non-profit group to send midwives to Afghanistan. I raised money for a bellydance scholarship from the Reema Samahaha Memorial Fund in honor of those affected by the VA Tech shootings. Regardless, it is my personal prerogative to choose whom I would like to support.

    Fourth, Carolee Cameron is one of our own. She has taught in Las Vegas for several years but had to stop due to issues with her back. However, she has remained active by attending haflas and working intimately with me on the Intensive. Carolee is the one who has done the graphic art work for the advertising and the promotional postcards this year. She is a personal and devoted friend who is also a single mother. She struggles to live from paycheck to paycheck...and taking 2 weeks off of work for the mastectomy may literally mean she loses the place she shares with her daughter. She does not receive child support, nor alimony, and the cancer diagnosis has truly created a devastating and dire life circumstance for Carolee. She does not have credit cards to live on nor does she have family to help support her. To be fair...Carolee's situation warrants a fundraiser.

    Fifth, of course I am open to organizing additional fundraisers from time to time. However, in order for me to choose who and what to support ...I also need to know who/what needs to be supported. I cannot help somebody if I do not know they need assistance. Aradia, I knew you were having back issues, but I have no way of knowing what your needs are. Part of needing help means you need to reach out and ask for it. I don't feel that you have asked me for support regarding your back issues. I feel that you have questioned my integrity on a public forum. A private phone call or email would have sufficed. And if anyone has something they would like to suggest, I'd be happy to hear it. Sometimes a polite buzz in my ear is all that is necessary.

    Sixth, as far as I know Raven, Marisa, and Amaryllis are not at risk of losing their homes or of not having basic things needed to survive. I think it's fair to say that although all of these people may be struggling a bit financially that none of them are in devastating circumstances. And it cannot be expected that our meager community haflas support them all. Certainly I don't think any of you would ask my children to go hungry to pay a medical bill for someone else. If anyone truly does have devastating circumstances, I will do my best to find some way to support them assuming it doesn't take away from the needs of my own children.

    Personally, I do what I can to support our community in every way possible, but it's ridiculous to expect that I do it all. I welcome any and all others who would like to step up to the plate and do more for our community. I would support anyone who really genuinely wants to make a difference. I am happy that we have such a great group of organizers who really do want to create a wonderful Vegas community. Linn and Amaryllis are both to be commended for the non-profit work that they do. And big kudos to Tori who donates a portion of her profits to the Nevada Wilderness Project...something that is near and dear to her heart. If you feel that more needs to be done, by all means...step right up and contribute, but please don't criticize me or my haflas for not supporting our local community in the way you think it should be done. Be the change you want to see in the world.

    --Samira
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      Mon, May 19, 2008 - 3:19 PM
      Samira, Perhaps I'm not reading between the lines enough here, but I don't see anything in this thread as a questioning of your integrity. I thought it was more of a brainstorm of ideas on how we, as a community -not an individual organizer- could reach out and help our local dancers more often if there is a special need. I don't think anyone has questioned that Carolee is not in a special need and an extraordinary need at that. I also don't think anyone was saying that you have to do it all. I think we are just looking for possible options on how to further help our locals in need as situations arise, which they do from time to time. I would like to think that if you were to come into a dire need that this idea would reach you as well. So I think that the spirit of this thread was not a critique on you as much as a theme along the lines of being the change we want to see in the world.
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        Mon, May 19, 2008 - 3:50 PM
        Raven, I don't feel that MOST of the commentary was directed at me personally; however, Aradia's comment, "So why do we hold fundraisers for people we barely know, yet don't take care of our girls here at home??" does imply that my haflas & fundraisers do not take care of our locals. So yes, I take offense to that. It feels that there is some sort of implication that I ignore the needs of our locals.

        Also, Aradia's statement, "I know we've done fundraisers for dancers we don't really know, so I think it would be nice if the charity at home was also in place" also implies that we don't have charity at home. Yes, I am also bothered at that statement. There is a lot that has been done for our local community and I don't appreciate the implication that it isn't enough. I am not the only one who has done tremendous work. Tori has also contributed hard-earned dollars to charity and Linn & Amaryllis do a lot of work through their non-profits locally.

        Additionally, Aradia stating that "since we pay to get into the hafla, and basically bring our own food and dance for free, maybe part of the hafla proceeds could go into an account that would be available to dancers in need" is very specifically directed at the hafla. Frankly, it is a suggestion that I need to do more. And truthfully, I do more than required.

        Yes, most of the commentary has been a brainstorm. And I appreicate that others do recognize that there is a need for more work here in our community. I just want to be very clear that how I run the haflas are not really a valid point of discussion. What charity I choose to support is not a valid point of discussion. If Aradia is going to critique what is being done, she might gather more information before she publically says we don't do enough for our locals.

        Yes, if people feel an Injured Dancers Fund would be useful, by all means...feel free to organize one. If someone feels that Aradia needs a fundraiser, then someone should feel free to organize one.
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          Mon, May 19, 2008 - 5:13 PM
          All that being said...I do want to say that I am completely open to a different interpretation. Especially if Aradia wasn't intentionally criticizing the current structure of the haflas. I just feel there is a big difference between saying "hey all..what can we do for these other dancers in need" vs. "I think we should take a deeper look at how the haflas & fundraisers are being done in this community". One is a suggestion, the other is a criticism.
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            Mon, May 19, 2008 - 9:33 PM
            WOW!! I just got back from Orlando, and haven't been on tribe for a few days, Samira, I was in no way criticizing how you run the hafla's and I definitely want your kids to have their meals. I was just saying that a community fund might be something to think about. It doesn't even have to be through our hafla's it could be like a union dues or something. I just know that lately I've seen a lot of dancers with serious health issues, and it would be great if we could help each other. I'm sorry if I offended anyone, it was just opening up a topic that I thought our community would be interested in,

            I guess not. I'll learn to keep my opinions and suggestions to myself
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              Mon, May 19, 2008 - 11:20 PM
              I'm not offended if people want to talk about ways to improve our community, but admittedly, I'm a tad sensitive when it comes to perceived criticism of all the work that myself, Tori, Amaryllis, Linn, and others have done. And now that Aradia and I have had some offline correspondence, I feel better knowing her intentions were not malicious. It wasn't the sentiment, but the approach that bothered me. I mostly feel that it is important to acknowledge all the work that has been done on behalf of the local community. And I want to keep my haflas working the way they work.

              Aradia, I don't want you to feel you can't speak up when you have ideas to share. I only ask that when you do so, you also try to be sensitive to the folks who have poured so much of their energy into this community already. I agree that there are lots of things that can be done to help support dancers in our community. I'm not sure how a dancer's fund would actually work, but if someone wants to figure that sort of thing out...I'm all for it.

              I think Janie's suggestion of a weekend of workshops where the proceeds are donated would be fabulous. It keeps away from invading the haflas and it has the potential to really be cost-effective.

              And just to add to the pot.... Not everyone needs cash. Some newer dancers may just need help finding costumes to wear. We all know that the investment into good costumes is expensive. We might have some sort of community closet where formerly loved costumes can be donated to newer dancers who don't have a lot of cash to get started. (I'm not organizing this one either, but I have stuff to donate).
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                Tue, May 20, 2008 - 12:38 AM
                Let's say a community dancer fund were to be started. It would need to be done thru a non-profit, and non-profit's are a lot of work. There is a large fiduciary responsibility, which most people do not want to be personally responsible for, when being on the board, or if you are the organizer of said non-profit.
                There would have to be guide lines of need, and that would take a LOT of work to detail, so that money was dispersed in a way that was fair, and still left something in the pot, for the next persons' emergency. There would have to be forms created, that the dancer-in-need would have to fill out to begin the qualification process. And what would those qualifications be? Only professional dancers that have no other income? No husband, and no family? Or very active members of the dance community that don’t dance professionally, but lose their job? Or only for injury, or only for hardship of any kind, or what? As times get tough, how would there be enough money in the "pot" to go around? There would have to be a review board, so that each situation could be reviewed in a non-biased way, etc.
                While this idea seems like a compassionate one, without the proper detailed structure in place, it could tear the community apart from perceived favoritism.
                I only raised $400 for NWP at the Spectacular, and that was a big event... That also represented over half of my profit from the evening! There are expenses involved with putting on any fundraiser. Venues are not free. But I would encourage anyone to be proactive in organizing an event to benefit a good cause.
                I hope we raise a lot of money for Carolee - I know none of us would want to lose both our breasts, and many of our lymph nodes in a major surgery - So let's hope everyone is very generous for her sake on the 31st! What a devistating thing to have happen. I know I would be so scared were I in her shoes. Her whole life is about to change drastically.

                Aradia,
                Have you talked with your dr. to see how much of your bill from your shots they will write off? My 4 epidurals were $7400, and they wrote off almost 6K of it!
                Hopefully your dr. will do the same if you talk with them. Many of the back dr’s will only ask you to pay the amount the ins company would have negotiated the procedure down to.

                Samira,
                Thank you for all you do for our community and for all the causes you feel moved by. You have done more than I can summarize here, but we appreciate you. I know that at some haflas, after buying part of the food, paying the out of town dancers, and sending money off to the charity you chose to support for that evening, you didn’t walk away with any money for your time and hard work. I am sure people don’t know that, but when the attendance at the haflas are low, and 10 people get in for free b/c they can’t afford to give $5.00 for dinner and a show – you are the one who ultimately pays their way. So, thank you for providing so many services in the community. I know people really appreciate it. And I know how tight things have been for you personally the last two years. That you give to charity even though things are uncertain for you personally, really speaks to your compassion for others.
                Hopefully we will see some additional fundraisers pop up for some good causes. There are so many!
                Namaste,
                Tori
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                  Tue, May 20, 2008 - 4:26 AM
                  Tori, I had no idea that a non profit was so detailed, yuck! A board of directors, applications, damn that sounds like going on welfare or medicaid!! Does it have to be so formal? I just wanted to help our local girls like Amaryllis and Raven who were hit with health problems out of the blue, both very young and yet here they are facing health issues. And let me say again Carolee is in no way discredited for her cancer, I would be so freaked out if I were in her shoes. I worked for Nevada Cancer Clinic while I was doing my pre-med undergrad, so I have seen first hand what cancer does to people. Again I think my post was taken out of context, I didn't mean to judge anyone, It was just an idea to help each other out, I guess I didn't do a very good job.....
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                    Tue, May 20, 2008 - 9:07 AM
                    Well...yes, a true non-profit is that detailed and does take a ton of work. Ask Linn. I'm sure she can tell you how involved it is and she's not even doing anything very controversial. Not that giving $$ to those in need is really that controversial; however, with an injured dancer fund you really do need some way to monitor who qualifies and who gets what. And honestly, the money it would take to be really effective is pretty staggering. If you really want to help someone individually, it's just easier to just choose your cause and put together some sort of fundraiser for the specific person.

                    I don't really know much about Raven's case individually although she has mentioned here that she does have health insurance. Amaryllis' health issues have been scary and unfortunate. But honestly, I'm not sure if it is money she needs. She does need support. She needs time away from being a mom. She needs meals prepared for her family. But Amaryllis is a stay-at-home mom with a husband who supports the entire family and has health insurance. They may be a little taxed by all of this, but they aren't going to lose a place to live and they aren't hurting for food. I'm not trying to discredit her needs, truly Amaryllis has been through a lot. It's just that there are a lot of very difficult situations out there that are hard for the people facing them. I am not sure we can address it all. I barely can keep a roof over my own children's heads let alone help every person in our community that is struggling. Most everyone is being affected by the crappy economy, the downturn in the real estate market, and the sky-rocketing gasoline prices. So when I choose to hold a fundraiser, it is usually because the situation is even more severe than my own.

                    Truly, your situation does indeed sound more dire than I had realized. I don't think any of us knew that you had taken so much time off of work and teaching. Are you working now? Tori had a really good suggestion regarding asking the doctors to write off a portion of the epidurals. Keep us posted on what your needs are. Janie had a good idea regarding workshops as a fundraiser. I am sure it would be much more effective than a mere hafla.
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                  Tue, May 20, 2008 - 10:32 AM
                  Doctors will negotiate fees, wow! That is good to know, since I too work for myself and can't afford insurance.
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                    Tue, May 20, 2008 - 10:58 AM
                    "Doctors will negotiate fees, wow! That is good to know, since I too work for myself and can't afford insurance."

                    Some of them will. My insurance doesn't cover my chiropractic visits so my chiropractor has made some price adjustments for me. On the other hand my one of my opthamolgists won't negotiate at all. But the other one will. It depends on the dr. But it is ALWAYS worth asking.
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                      Tue, May 20, 2008 - 5:32 PM
                      Yes, some dr's will not. But I have been to some that if you pay cash, and you do not have ins, or your current ins doesn't cover that procedure, or that dr - they will only make you pay what the negotiated rate is from the ins. It saves them payroll for not having to do all that paperwork for ins submissions.
                      Many dr's charge many times what the actual rate is for that service, because they use the difference between the amount paid and the amount charged as a tax write off. So it is always worth asking if you are without ins, or going for something your ins does not cover.
                      And it is always best to ask before you get the service, rather than after...
                      Just making these statements off personal experience - so please don't take these comments to be professional in any way. But there have been mulitiple times in my life that I was without medical coverage, and had major stuff done. My personal experience has been very lucky that the dr's were VERY kind and wrote most of my bill off, or set me up on payments while I continued to get care.
                      Hope that helps,
                      Tori
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    Mon, May 19, 2008 - 7:45 PM
    Okay taking Teresa's suggestion of a show and in an effort to suggest some another way of doing a fundraiser, so the Haflas can just stay the Haflas. Let me use an example of a Big Fundraiser held in the Seatle area for a friend of mine with brain cancer. Several months ago 2 friends of mine organized workshops and a show at a local restaurant. 2 of my other friends volunteered to do the workshops for free. There was also a silent auction, which many of us (including me) contributed to. They raised over $1200 dollars as I recall and donations were still coming in when last heard. A fundraiser like this could really help pay bills or start a Dancer's in Need fund.

    We don't really need to change what we have in place. We need to create something new. If someone wants to organize something on the order of the Seatle event, I would be happy to give them the organizer's names so they could get the details of how it was organized.
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      Sun, June 1, 2008 - 1:41 PM
      Sorry I have been MIA....
      I think everything that needed to be said has been said. I do not need to repeat everyone's words. Everyone has valid points...that being said...my health issues were very scary and I did need support, but what I needed was emotional support, not monetary. I have been blessed with a husband that makes a good living and yes, we do have really good health insurance (it ain't cheap, but it comes in handy when you turn into your doctors pin cushion). Everyone's needs are so different. I think it is truly up to the person in need to ask for it. I can't think of a single person in our community that would turn someone down when in need. I know that if I was approached and I could not single handedly help, I would find troops to rally. Fund raisers, whether they are done at the hafla's, or at someone's work, someone's home or just by phone tree - they are up to the person that decides to take them on. Samira's haflas may be for our community, but, she is the one taking on the financial responsibility for them. Like any business, you need to spend $ to make $. It is up to the people that go to the haflas to make the decision on whether to support the fund raiser by participating. Personally, if I don't believe in something, I don't support it. If I feel like it calls to me, then that is when I can choose my path and whether or not to participate or donate.

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